Thrale history

Robert THRALE, the younger

Male Bef 1509 - Abt 1541  (32 years)


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  • Name Robert THRALE 
    Suffix the younger 
    Birth Bef 1509  [1
    Gender Male 
    Property Between 1536 and 1540  Napsbury, St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    The fate of Napsbury as far as the Thrale holding is concerned is also not really known. Apparently just before the Dissolution the abbot leased Napsbury to William Marston for 90 years. If the rent was in arrears, the abbot was to be allowed to enter the manor within one month. After the Dissolution the King granted it in 1540 to Ralph Rowlatt. Robert Thrale must therefore have held Napsbury some time between the tenure of Marston and Rowlatt, perhaps when Marston was unable to pay his rent. 
    Death Abt 1541  [3
    Property 1542  Sandridgebury, Sandridge, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    The Rowlatts, Ralph and his son, Sir Ralph, in their conflict with the Thrales, made the case, in Chancery that before the Dissolution of the Monastery of St. Albans the abbot had granted a forty year lease of Sandridgebury, and of Napsbury to Robert Thrale the younger. When Sir Ralph Rowlatt inherited the properties in 1542, he was not able to find the abbot's part of the lease and therefore did not know what covenants Robert Thrale the younger had entered into regarding the farm, nor for certain the length of the lease. Sir Ralph asked the executor of Robert Thrale's will, the Reverend Henry Kyrke, to produce therefore their part of the lease. Then in a further action Sir Ralph claimed that the Reverend Kyrke as executor, and trustee of Sandridgebury Farm until Robert's sons Thomas and Alban had reached the age of 21, had granted all his interests in the property to him. But Alice Fitz, the widow of Robert Thrale the elder, had entered Sandridgebury without any right and would not give it up. Alice in her turn replied that Robert Thrale the younger's widow Jane had died shortly after him, and that the Reverend Kyrke assigned the property to her, Alice, in trust for her grand-children. How the matter turned out is not really known, but the Thrales continued to live at Sandridgebury for a further four generations. 
    A New Thraliana (1973)
    A New Thraliana (1973)
    A chronicle of the Thrale family of Hertfordshire by Richard William Thrale (1931-2007), building on the Thrale chapter from the 1952 book Historic Sandridge. Reproduced in full with consent of the author.
    Land Bef 1607  High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    One Grunwyn left his son three acres formerly of Robert Thrale called Phillipsmith land lying in Tolman Brache as shown in a court roll of 1607. 
    Property Sandridgebury, Sandridge, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    Robert Thrale the younger did not long survive his father and died in 1541, leaving a young family of four sons and two daughters. His farm Sandridge Bury, in accordance with his father's will, went to his elder sons, Thomas and Alban, and he left other lands in Sandridge to his sons as follows (Arch. St. Albans Reg. Ewer fol. 27 (Richard Thrale d 1541) and Reg. Clapton fo. 132 (William Thrale d. 1589)):

    (a) Thomas Thrale a copyhold house and land called Townynges.
    (b) Alban Thrale'a copyhold house and land called Phylype Smythes.
    (c) John Thrale's copyhold lands and tenements called Feyrwnlfes, later known as Fairfolds.
    (d) William Thrale's copyhold lands and tenements called Grownwynd, Malewerdecroft and Howberys. 
    Person ID I334  UK Thrale family
    Last Modified 30 Aug 2024 

    Father Robert THRALE, the elder,   b. Bef 1509   d. 1538 (Age 29 years) 
    Mother Alice   d. Aft 1544 
    Family ID F169  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Jane   d. Between 1538 and 1542 
    Children 
    +1. Thomas THRALE,   b. Bef 1523   d. 1603 (Age 80 years)
     2. Alban THRALE   d. 1591
     3. Alice THRALE   d. Abt 1589
    +4. John THRALE   d. 1617
     5. William THRALE   d. Abt 1589
    Family ID F63  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 19 Jan 2024 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsProperty - The fate of Napsbury as far as the Thrale holding is concerned is also not really known. Apparently just before the Dissolution the abbot leased Napsbury to William Marston for 90 years. If the rent was in arrears, the abbot was to be allowed to enter the manor within one month. After the Dissolution the King granted it in 1540 to Ralph Rowlatt. Robert Thrale must therefore have held Napsbury some time between the tenure of Marston and Rowlatt, perhaps when Marston was unable to pay his rent. - Between 1536 and 1540 - Napsbury, St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsProperty - The Rowlatts, Ralph and his son, Sir Ralph, in their conflict with the Thrales, made the case, in Chancery that before the Dissolution of the Monastery of St. Albans the abbot had granted a forty year lease of Sandridgebury, and of Napsbury to Robert Thrale the younger. When Sir Ralph Rowlatt inherited the properties in 1542, he was not able to find the abbot's part of the lease and therefore did not know what covenants Robert Thrale the younger had entered into regarding the farm, nor for certain the length of the lease. Sir Ralph asked the executor of Robert Thrale's will, the Reverend Henry Kyrke, to produce therefore their part of the lease. Then in a further action Sir Ralph claimed that the Reverend Kyrke as executor, and trustee of Sandridgebury Farm until Robert's sons Thomas and Alban had reached the age of 21, had granted all his interests in the property to him. But Alice Fitz, the widow of Robert Thrale the elder, had entered Sandridgebury without any right and would not give it up. Alice in her turn replied that Robert Thrale the younger's widow Jane had died shortly after him, and that the Reverend Kyrke assigned the property to her, Alice, in trust for her grand-children. How the matter turned out is not really known, but the Thrales continued to live at Sandridgebury for a further four generations. - 1542 - Sandridgebury, Sandridge, Hertfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsProperty - Robert Thrale the younger did not long survive his father and died in 1541, leaving a young family of four sons and two daughters. His farm Sandridge Bury, in accordance with his father's will, went to his elder sons, Thomas and Alban, and he left other lands in Sandridge to his sons as follows (Arch. St. Albans Reg. Ewer fol. 27 (Richard Thrale d 1541) and Reg. Clapton fo. 132 (William Thrale d. 1589)): (a) Thomas Thrale a copyhold house and land called Townynges. (b) Alban Thrale'a copyhold house and land called Phylype Smythes. (c) John Thrale's copyhold lands and tenements called Feyrwnlfes, later known as Fairfolds. (d) William Thrale's copyhold lands and tenements called Grownwynd, Malewerdecroft and Howberys. - - Sandridgebury, Sandridge, Hertfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Histories
    The Hertfordshire Descent of Henry Thrale
    The Hertfordshire Descent of Henry Thrale
    J.H. Busby.Notes and Queries, p.495-498. 13 November 1948.

  • Sources 
    1. [S22] Web, http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-1775350&CATLN=7&Highlight=%2CTHRALE%2CTHRALE&accessmethod=0.

    2. [S2] Richard William Thrale, A New Thraliana, (Falconer Press, St Albans.), 16.

    3. [S2] Richard William Thrale, A New Thraliana, (Falconer Press, St Albans.), 21.

    4. [S2] Richard William Thrale, A New Thraliana, (Falconer Press, St Albans.), 23.
      "John Thrale, the son of John of Fairfolds, had held Sleapside, actually in the parish of St. Peters, and although at the time of his death in 1609 he left a young family, no further descent can be traced."

    5. [S2] Richard William Thrale, A New Thraliana, (Falconer Press, St Albans.).