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Herbert THRALE

Herbert THRALE
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Male 1895 - 1960  (65 years)


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  • Name Herbert THRALE 
    • Called Herbert Donald Thrale, but just named Herbert Thrale on his birth certificate. Widely known as 'Donald' or 'Don'. Was supposed to be named Hubert, but apparently, his father accidentally registered Herbert instead and the name stuck. [1]
    Nickname Donald 
    Birth 17 Mar 1895  Church Street, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2] 
    Birth certificate    		 Birth certificate
    Gender Male 
    Census 31 Mar 1901  Marford, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    UK census 1901    		 UK census 1901
    131 Maxford, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire.
    1. William Thrale; Head; Married; 48; Labourer in brewery; Worker; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    2. Sophia Thrale; Wife; Married; 48; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    3. Edward Thrale; Son; Single; 21; House painter; Worker; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    4. Frank Thrale; Son; Single; 15; Telegraph messenger; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    5. Charles Thrale; Son; Single; 12; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    6. Hermione Thrale; Daughter; Single; 9; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    7. Alfred Thrale; Son; Single; 7; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    8. Jessie Thrale; Daughter; Single; 4; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    9. Walter Thrale; Son; Single; 20; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    10. Herbert Thrale; Son; Single; 6; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    Census 2 Apr 1911  12 High Street, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    UK census 1911    		 UK census 1911
    4 rooms (incl kitchen) at 12 High Street, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire.
    1. William Thrale; Head; 57; Married; Painter house; Worker; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    2. Sophia Thrale; Wife; 57; Married 38 years; Children born: 16; Children alive 13; Children died: 3; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    3. Frank Thrale; Son; 25; Single; Plumber; Worker; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    4. Charlie Thrale; Son; 23; Single; Bricklayer; Worker; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    5. Hermione Thrale; Daughter; 20; Single; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    6. Herbert Thrale; Son; 16; Single; Errand Boy; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    7. Jessie Thrale; Daughter; 14; Single; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    8. Lucy Avery; Boarder; 7; Single; School; Born Herts, Wheathampstead.
    Physical Description Sep 1914 
    Army medical examination on enlistment aged 19 years, 6 months. Height 5 feet 7 inches. 34" chest. Good vision and good physical development. 
    Military Award Between Sep 1914 and 05 May 1919  [3] 
    Enlisted with 17th County of London Battalion as Private 3097 in St Albans. Transferred to Royal Engineers. WR11368 & 551343. Transferred to Labour Corps 282425. Discharged at Purfleet Essex. Served in France. According to his son Brian Thrale, during WWI Herbert stabbed a German in the hand and ran away. 
    British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920    		 British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
    Herbert THRALE. Entered war theatre: 9 March 1915.

    Regiments

    • 17th London Regiment (Poplar and Stepney Rifles). Private. Regimental number: 3097.
    • Royal Engineers. Regimental number: WR11368.
    • Royal Engineers. Regimental number: 551343.
    • Labour Corps. Regimental number: 282425.

    Medals awarded

    • Victory Medal. Roll: RE/103.B, page 302. Awarded for service in any operational theatre between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. It was issued to individuals who received the 1914 and 1914-15 Stars and to most individuals who were issued the British War Medal.
    • British War Medal. Roll: RE/103.B, page 302. Awarded to both servicemen and civilians who either served in a theatre of war or rendered service overseas between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918.
    • 1914-15 Star Medal. Roll: RE/24C, page 1182. Awarded for service in France or Flanders (Belgium) between 23 November 1914 and 31 December 1915.
    Military Service Between Sep 1914 and 05 May 1919 
    British Military Record    		 British Military Record
    Herbert Donald Thrale
    1914-1919, including later War Pension documents.
    Occupation Between 28 Sep 1920 and 28 Aug 1928  [4, 5] 
    Journeyman house painter  
    Birth certificate for Norman Jack Thrale    		 Birth certificate for Norman Jack Thrale
    Note Abt 1925  [6] 
    Herbert was said to be a bundle of fun. However, he could also sometimes be drunk and violent towards his wife. However, he came home one day and said he would never drink alcohol again with one exception, when his son Kenneth David Thrale got married, he didn't drink again until he died. 
    Note Jun 1928 
    Spittle sisters, June 1928.    		 Spittle sisters, June 1928.
    From L-R: Nellie Ridd née Spittles, Wilfred Ridd, Louisa's husband, Louisa Spittles, Rose Thrale née Spittles, Herbert Thrale
    Residence 28 Aug 1928  Kilburn, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Residence Between 1932 and 1935  89 Netherwood Street, Kilburn, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 7, 8] 
    Note Abt 1936 
    Census 29 Sep 1939  10 Westcroft Way, Cricklewood, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    UK National Registration 1939    		 UK National Registration 1939
    10 Westcroft Way, Cricklewood, Middlesex, England.
    1. Herbert Thrale; Male; Born: 17 Mar 1895; Married; Decorator & painter.
    2. Rose Thrale; Female; Born: 15 Jan 1895; Married; Unpaid domestic duties.
    3. Kenneth Thrale; Male; Born: 28 Aug 1928; Single; at school.
    Note Luton FC supporter. 
    Name Herbert Donald Thrale  [9] 
    Residence 1949  10 Westcroft Way, Cricklewood, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [7] 
    Occupation 4 Sep 1959 
    Turner, Clockmaker 
    Residence Bef 1960  8a Leamington Road, West Hampstead, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Occupation 18 Mar 1960  [10] 
    General labourer clock factory (retired) 
    Residence Kilburn, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [5] 
    Address:
    28 Chichelle Road 
    Death 18 Mar 1960  10 Westcroft Way, Cricklewood, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Cause: 1a Coronary occlusion. 1b athleroma. 2 Hypertension. 
    • Certified after post-mortem without inquest. Herbert died from a heart attack on the toilet on the morning of his last day at work before he retired.
    Death certificate of Herbert Thrale    		 Death certificate of Herbert Thrale
    Burial Golders Green Crematorium, Golders Green, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [11] 
    Address:
    62 Hoop Lane 
    Association Stacey Donald THRALE (Relationship: Stacey Donald Thrale named in memory of Grandfather Herbert "Donald" Thrale) 
    Notes 
    • Herbert was said to be a bundle of fun. Although, he could also sometime be drunk and violent towards his wife. However, he came home one day and said he would never drink alcohol again with one exception, when his son Kenneth David Thrale got married, he didn't drink again until he died. [6]
    Person ID I235  UK Thrale family | Fairfolds and Hammonds Thrale branch, Marshalswick Thrale branch
    Last Modified 18 Nov 2024 

    Father William THRALE,   b. 16 Nov 1853, Hamwell Lane, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 9 Jun 1931, 1a Butlin Road, Luton, Bedfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 77 years) 
    Mother Sophia Jane MCCULLOCH,   b. 27 Aug 1853, The Village, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 6 Mar 1915, Luton, Bedfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 61 years) 
    Marriage 21 Jun 1874  Saint Mary Magdelen, Bermondsey, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [12, 13] 
    • CISSIE THRALE: From somewhere - I don't know the source - I had a Cissie Thrale (presumably diminutive for Cecilia) as a daughter of William Thrale and Sophia McCulloch, and that Cissie married G Squire and had 4 kids. Today I discovered reliable documentary evidence that Harriet Kate Sophia Thrale married George Squires. I have therefore transferred George and his kids to Harriet Kate Sophia. Clearly Cissie is not a diminutive of Harriet, Kate or Sophia. The question is whether Cissie exists. have found no record of her anywhere else. therefore I have deleted her. However I will leave a note here, just in case.

      JACK THRALE: From somewhere - I don't know the source - I also had a Jack Thrale as a son of William Thrale and Sophia McCulloch, and that Jack married married Rose White. Jack is a diminutive for John. I already have a John Thrale and I have documentary proof of his existence. John Thrale married Rosetta Wright, incredibly similar to Rose White. Therefore I have concluded that infact the untraceable Jack Thrale and Rose White are infact John Thrale and Rosetta Wright. However, just in case I am wrong, I have left this note here. [1]
    Marriage certificate    		 Marriage certificate
    William Thrale and Sophia McCulloch
    Family ID F80  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Rose SPITTLE,   b. 15 Jan 1894, 58 Church Street, Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 9 Mar 1973, Hampstead, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 79 years) 
    Marriage 28 Sep 1920  Registry Office, Willesden, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Marriage witnessed by W D Guyler & J Guyler (nephew) [5]
    Marriage certificate    		 Marriage certificate
    Herbert Thrale and Rose Spittle
    Notes 
    • Herbert was said to be the youngest of 21 children, however, the records do not bear this out to be true. [3]
    Children 
     1. Norman Jack THRALE,   b. 7 Jan 1923, Acton, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 9 Dec 1923, Hampstead, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 0 years)
    +2. Olga Eileen Isobel THRALE,   b. 22 Oct 1924, Hampstead, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 23 May 2012, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 87 years)
    +3. Kenneth David THRALE,   b. 28 Aug 1928, West Hampstead, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 31 Jul 1987, Kingsbury, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 58 years)
     4. Gatenby Brian THRALE
    +5. Frances Margaret THRALE
    Family ID F88  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 4 Sep 2024 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBirth - 17 Mar 1895 - Church Street, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 31 Mar 1901 - Marford, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 2 Apr 1911 - 12 High Street, Wheathampstead, Hertfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarriage - 28 Sep 1920 - Registry Office, Willesden, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 28 Aug 1928 - Kilburn, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - Between 1932 and 1935 - 89 Netherwood Street, Kilburn, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 29 Sep 1939 - 10 Westcroft Way, Cricklewood, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 1949 - 10 Westcroft Way, Cricklewood, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - Bef 1960 - 8a Leamington Road, West Hampstead, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - Address:
    28 Chichelle Road - - Kilburn, Middlesex, England    		 Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - Cause: 1a Coronary occlusion. 1b athleroma. 2 Hypertension. - 18 Mar 1960 - 10 Westcroft Way, Cricklewood, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBurial - Address:
    62 Hoop Lane - - Golders Green Crematorium, Golders Green, Middlesex, England    		 Link to Google Earth
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    Pin Legend  : Address       : Location       : City/Town       : County/Shire       : State/Province       : Country       : Not Set

  • Sources 
    1. [S11] David H Thrale.

    2. [S4] Birth certificate.

    3. [S156] Brian Thrale.

    4. [S4] Birth certificate, for Norman Jack Thrale.

    5. [S28] Marriage certificate, 28 Sept 1920 marriage certificate of Herbert Thrale & Rose Spittles.

    6. [S157] Clive Tobutt.

    7. [S42] Electoral register.

    8. [S12] Death certificate.

    9. [S28] Marriage certificate, 23 March 1920 marriage certificate of William Thrale & Mabel Shepherd.

    10. [S28] Marriage certificate, 18/3/1960 death certificate of Herbert Thrale.

    11. [S17] Golders Green Crematorium archive.

    12. [S2] Richard William Thrale, A New Thraliana, (Falconer Press, St Albans.), page 120.

    13. [S18] GRO index (UK), June qtr 1874. St. Olave, 1d 342.


 

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